The Experiment in Chauvinism/Racism

kaylarStarred Page By kaylar, 17th Sep 2013 | Follow this author | RSS Feed
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This is an actual experiment that was done in 1998. I do not recount it to insult.
You can probably test the results yourself by following a similar pattern


The argument began on a website, spilled into RL and then was seised by someone who probably wanted a topic for a thesis.

The core of the argument can be summed up in one sentence; white male Americans get instant credance, those from the 3rd World, especially if they are women are treated with disrespect and everything they post is questioned.

This was one of those arguments that could go on and on. One side blasting how would one know who or what Forge, Kaylar, Airdog, Bladerunner, are unless they admitted? Get an Avatar of some celeb and post!

Then someone mentioned I.P. address.

As we were geeks we knew that everyone who caught our I.P. would know where we were. Pretending to be on Flatbush Avenue didn't get over when your I.P. was in Halfway Tree.

The Experiment

Each of us would log in from an American Proxy so that it seemed we were somewhere in the United States and create an identity of a white American male.
We would join one of the forums on Delphiforums.

At the same time we'd log on from our 3rd world country and use an 'ethnic' kind of name; Ntombi or Abdul or Sanjay .... you get the idea.

We would begin with just a few innocuous posts. Nothing racial, revolutionary, political or local. Once we had been on for about ten posts, we'd go for our macguffin.

A macguffin is defined (by Wikipedia) as "a plot device in the form of some goal, desired object, or other motivator that the protagonist pursues, often with little or no narrative explanation as to why it is considered so important. The specific nature of a MacGuffin is typically unimportant to the overall plot."

For example, one of the most famous MacGuffin is the Maltese Falcon in the movie by the same name.

An Example

My 3rd World persona posted a bland sentence about a topical issue.
She was attacked, ridiculed, and the comment Trolls had a field day.

The next day, SamDavis, my American persona, posted the same thing, in slightly different language. Some agreed, but those who disagreed did so respectfully, gently.

The difference between "You are out of your A$$...." and, "Sam, I don't think you are looking at all the facts..." (this is just one of dozens of examples) which clearly proved the bias.

The Point

People felt and feel that they can post anything to a person in the 3rd world.
They can be insulting to the highest degree.
It is stepping on a roach.

People are not so ready to attack an American man because their image of him has the fragrance of power, the consideration that he might find them and hurt them.


It was found by the other participants that what I experienced was universal.

The attitude towards a poster who was NOT a white American male was constant.

If one was not directly insulted, they were talked down to as if they had to take off their shoes, (if the had shoes) to count over ten.

The sickly insulting manner adopted was worse than the direct insult, because at least that suggested one was considered worthy of attack, the goo goo baby responses proved uncompromising contempt.


As mentioned in my article on rip off sites, not having an American address and I.P. makes you a sure bet for being ripped off.

Firstly, the owners assume that you can't do a thing and have to take it.
The contempt of the 'goo goo baby' is clear.

Secondly, if no one from your country logs on, so what?
Hence it is not just you, it is your country they spit on.

In a Scam like Bubblews you find that those who have not been paid are from non-American addresses. Those who have been paid are Americans. The Shills are Americans.

The Americans can't understand why this user wasn't paid and so deep into their chauvinism can't for one second appreciate what is going on. Hence, they assume you are responsible for the Owners non-payment.

This is why, when you join a new site, always use an American I.P. proxy Always claim to live in America. This will protect you until the Ponzi goes down.


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author avatar Phyl Campbell
18th Sep 2013 (#)

Fair or not, don't the sites you mentioned say that they are only open to American citizens? I wouldn't dream of trying to write for a site based out of India unless it specifically asked for Americans to write for it. I wouldn't even venture to work in Canada. If there are rules prohibiting my employ, I think I have to respect them. Hopefully, a state that only allows people from that state will draw those people and if my state only allowed people from my state, I would have a better chance with my local audience. And then, of course, there is Wikinut, which has a worldwide acceptance and base. In my opinion, the rules for each site must be followed.

Next, even if your English is acceptable, native speakers can tell that you aren't native. I would hope that everyone is respectful -- as you pointed out, they often aren't. And I'm sorry about that. At the same time, if they are following the rules, and they can tell you are trying to get around those rules, they may feel entitled to show their posteriors to you. It's a risk you take when you are trying to make money online, I think.

I don't write for Bubblews, but I could see Bubblews writers objecting to being called "shills." They are following the rules of the site. Your non-American persona is not. And I think that makes it harder for foreign speakers -- even those in the US lawfully.
Is it worth it?

I can't tell you what you should do, but I hope you will think about it. I know I enjoy your articles here, and am glad we are both welcome to write for this site. Good luck, and keep writing!

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author avatar kaylar
18th Sep 2013 (#)

I don't think you get the point. This is the Internet. Everywhre is here. You can be in South Africa and post on this site. you can be in Russia. Unless a site says, "Americans Only" then it is open to all.

The American Bubblews writers are paid. They don't for one second think that othrs, you write good prose but do not log in via a US IP are not. They assume Oh, "You broke the Rules!" Not that, as with Factoidz, when you rip off an American, s/he can contact the A.G. of his her state and your site will go down.
Ripping off people is not justified just because they don't live in the United States. Thre are sites which have very clearly statd that they only accept contributions from thos in America. Fine. No problem. But when you are on a site open to the world, which pretends to be eglatarian and it isn't...that is a diffrent story.

To defend Bubblews is not wise. It reminds me of a woman I'll call Marie, who ran from site to site to attack everyon who wrote against Factoidz. And then when Factoidz dropped her to Member she was vry upset. After all, it shouldn't happen to her!

And as to rules, trust me, we follow them.

To be crude, it is like telling a Black man he wasn't hired because he didn't dot the 'i' on his application.

Who believes that today?

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author avatar kaylar
18th Sep 2013 (#)

Lt me b even cruder. I have the fascinating ability to appear English, or American or European. And people will speak to me as if I am a human being. And when I tell them where I'm from, they drop to 'special english'

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author avatar Fern Mc Costigan
18th Sep 2013 (#)

Interesting piece and good points taken in each line written!

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author avatar kaylar
18th Sep 2013 (#)

Thank you Fern.

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author avatar Phyl Campbell
19th Sep 2013 (#)

I get what you are saying but I'm afraid I'm not being understood. Oh well. I tried. Please don't take offense.

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author avatar kaylar
19th Sep 2013 (#)

People try to find explanations because the truth is unacceptable.

It is hard to believe that a site would be run in such a manner so as to lure people from all over the world to contribute, but only pay those who have an American I.P.

But that is the truth with Bubblews.

It was the truth with Factoidz.

As soon as Bubblews rips off an American, as soon at they make the complaint, that is when Bubblews will go down.

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author avatar M G Singh
20th Sep 2013 (#)

Kaylar, this is a fine post. You have brought out relevant points. In the case of Bubblews it pays selectively by a selection method. The owner of the site is an Indian and I few quite a few from India re paid, but the site is unethical, yet it is one of the top sites on the net. Yes, there are many sites that don't pay people outside the USA. After all the USA is the dominant power.

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author avatar kaylar
20th Sep 2013 (#)

Bubblews Claims to be US based, but it's Ip Address:
Hosting Service: "CloudFlare Latin America S.R.L"
Hosting City: San Jos
Hosting Region: 08
Hosting Postal:
Hosting Country: United States
Domain Created: 2011-07-22
Domain Expires: 2013-07-22
Domain Life: 731
Est Value: $567, 357.51

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author avatar Mark Gordon Brown
22nd Sep 2013 (#)

It is a shame that people treat others with less respect if they think those people are from a third world nation. For the most part I am usually fascinated with people from other lands.

However... I will note that on here the majority of posts that we do reject come from India, either due to being plagiarized, or being spam, but mostly plagiarized.

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author avatar kaylar
22nd Sep 2013 (#)

Many of them have had expeerience on sites like Bubblews in which they know that it isn't the prose that gets the pass. They know that Bubblews is just one of dozens of such sites and they think they can get that first payout simply by posting X articles.
This is the tragedy of their experience.

I always was fascinated by finding myself in conversation with someone from a land I will never see.
But the sad fact is that those who run sites like Bubblews take advantage of those who can't 'fight back'.
The greater tragedy is that they can get people, usually Americans to attack those who can't fight back.

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author avatar kaylar
7th Sep 2014 (#)

To make another point. I was on the beach, a Tourist beach. I was assumed to be an American. Knowing the 'game' I played yankee. Oh boy did I play yankee.

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